Originally Posted by Bloody Dominator

Ur right, every class should have its own SF, if SF doesnt get nerfed. Would be fair to everyone. But ofcourse there would be more abuse, so that might be not so good, but u wouldn't here anyone complaining (well not me anyways ).

Now ive said this, u all need to stop arguing. its just rediculous now, u all keep repeating the same things over and over

Originally Posted by Barrage

If they nerf shadow form, I welcome it with open arms, and I really only play sin O.o, if they give us more options and the like, (what they did with the recent update) it would be perfect. Sure we can't farm as well as before, but at least we aren't breaking the game in half with a sickening crack.

Originally Posted by upier

I am bored of this thread, because it's just the same thing over and over again.
Still, this one is just too good to let go:

SF is broken.
The funny thing?
Not only is A.Net aware of this, they DESIGNED it to be broken.
It's a PvE only skill designed for farming.

The simple fact that SF is broken, doesn't mean it needs to be fixed.

Originally Posted by EinherjarMx

that's plain stupid.

I've seen casual players that don't even know about the sabway/discordway.

Shinier things are meant to be for people who work hard for them. Just as in RL

If I work only 40 hours a week, am I entitled to get the same shiny car as my neighbor who works 60 hours/week, when we have the same wage?

If you're standing for players that want to play their game the way they want, then I WANT TO PLAY using /bamph!

btw, first post was one of the biggest flamebaits I've seen here on guru XD

Originally Posted by kanuks

Oh yeah I can picture it.

A-Net's big boss : "Ok guys! Today we design a broken skill. We want that skill to be abused. You know these Elite areas it took us so much times to develop? Well I want the players to run these in 20 mins with that skill. Oh yeah and since it's such a powerful skill, I want it to be class exclusive so that it's not being abused too much. Hell yeah let's do it. Today's a magical day!"

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

These are two very opposite solutions to the same problem. And honestly, I would support either one of them (mainly because the first would undoubtedly lead to the second). Though the second is definitely the preferable one.



First of all, it was not designed for farming. It was designed as a temporary-invulnerability skill. It morphed into a farming skill once people learned it could be maintained (something Anet never intended).

But, let's assume for a moment it was designed for farming. Even under that interpretation, it needs to be changed, because it was most certainly NOT designed for SCs or curbstomping 90% of PvE (which is what the skill currently does). How do I know? Because Anet went to a lot of trouble to create a game with a lot of skills and professions. They wouldn't have gone to all that trouble if they didn't want that stuff used. But to intentionally put such a vastly superior option in the game is the same as saying "here, use this and ONLY use this, since it's the only thing worth your time". Using anything except permaSF is like putting mending on your bar.



Oh, and if Anet really intended for there to be options like permaSF in the game, you have to ask yourself one question: why didn't they just give us BAMPH! ? SF and BAMPH! are really just two sides of the same coin. If you use BAMPH! correctly, you can kill anything. If you use SF correctly, nothing can kill you.

In fact...You want to know how overpowered SF is? It's so powerful I'm not even sure BAMPH! can kill it!

(well, okay, it can, but only because BAMPH! is a skill, not a spell; otherwise it wouldn't be able to )

Point is, they gave us SF, but not BAMPH!. Why? Because they knew BAMPH! was overpowered. They didn't know SF was overpowered. Now they do (I assume), but now they're worried about people crying because they won't have an instant win button any more (either that, or they just haven't had the chance due to company stuff or time).

But you know what? That doesn't change the fact that as a broken skill, SF needs to be fixed. That's how it works. If something is broken, it requires fixing. Otherwise, it's not broken in the first place. And SF is most certainly broken.

Originally Posted by traversc

Ugh (ugh lol). You're just wrong everywhere, I hardly know where to begin.

First, UWSC is NOT particularly faster than any other farm. If you can't even realize that then it's pretty obvious to everyone you have no clue what you're talking about.

Re: SF taking over every high end area. If you don't want to use SF because it's "disgusting", then find other people like-minded to do balanced-way with you. You obviously think that there are lots of other people out there who agree with you. Why don't you farm a "no SF" club while you're at it?

"But but but... if I do balanced-way, I don't make as much money!"

Duh.... But if you were ONLY interested in money, even UWSC would not be the way to go. UWSC is actually pretty bad at making money. Even feather farm and raptor farm are comparable.

Again, stop trying to force other people to play the gameYOUR way.


3) lol.
4) lol.

Originally Posted by traversc

First, UWSC is NOT particularly faster than any other farm.